Comments on: veganism is not for vegans

By: aw

aw — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:23:05 +0000

Additionally, if we are talking about and reluctantly supposing that these members of the “majority” [again, used in the most classical sense] are in fact, being “oppressed” because of their dietary/lifestyle choices, I hope they can see how with every other case of “oppression” in their very own backyards, much of which was encouraged and nurtured by them, that times of acceptance and reform take time– as will be the case for vegan “oppression.”

By: aw

aw — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:15:35 +0000

Anti- veganism?….Seems like another attempt by the “majority”[term used in the most classic sense] to convince the world of how hard it is to be them, how deep their issues are, and to remain relevant. There’s also a constant attempt to make some non- issue THE priority, THE tragedy, THE cause. I’m sorry young, healthy, privileged white men– so sorry that you are being “discriminated” against and so sorry that people are so adamantly disagreeing with POV and priority on veganism. Sorry life is so hard for you.

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By: noemi

noemi — Fri, 09 May 2008 01:01:56 +0000

Veganism is for all animals. “All animals” includes humans.
well holy fucking shit-thanks for schooling this brown girl.

however, things are not always black and white.
no seriously, thanks.

Many silent vegans struggle with oppression – we all feel it, but to ponder about “why white guys feel discriminated against”
so let’s just throw racism out the fucking door right?

If anyone is discriminated against for any reason
you contradict yourself.
so can I or can’t I speak up against racism or when some privileged dude spits it on a vegans of color blog?

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By: johanna

johanna — Wed, 07 May 2008 12:33:29 +0000

Warwak, your comment is TEXTBOOK. Absolutely classic. I’m going to write a post about the issues I have w/what you said. I’m sure everyone is waiting w/bated breath.

By: warwak

warwak — Tue, 06 May 2008 15:32:17 +0000

Veganism is for all animals. “All animals” includes humans. I was canned for my “vegan views” so I know well this is a big issue. Yes, we go vegan for the animals; however, things are not always black and white. In this case, veganism is full of gray areas as it is a far-reaching philosophy and makes connections to virtually every part of our world – including work. So yes, we do it for the animals, but we also go vegan for our health, wellbeing, and survival. If anyone is discriminated against for any reason, people should stand up for what is right. That does not mean we should not stand up for our vegan selves in fear of someone saying our intentions are not true. How about we prioritize our time and energy by bashing factory farming instead of bashing our own kind for speaking out against injustice? I am all for pulling ourselves up by the bootstraps and part of that is speaking out. Many silent vegans struggle with oppression – we all feel it, but to ponder about “why white guys feel discriminated against” does the animals a great disservice in these extremely urgent times when we could be focusing our energies on real good.

By: nosnowhere

nosnowhere — Tue, 06 May 2008 15:13:34 +0000

yes sis there is def some overlap! hahahaha omg.

i mean, as a vegan i’m not going to argue with the examples elaine pointed to because i’ve experienced them all. and i experienced them while i a person of color. i just don’t think it’s about the individual vegan’s struggle to be accomodated, and i’m taking issue with an attitude that positions an individual as a victim when they are actually an ally.

when being an ally it is not appropriate to center one’s own discomfort.

that’s all i’m saying.

By: johanna

johanna — Tue, 06 May 2008 13:29:19 +0000

Nadia, I suspect there’s some overlap between the vegans you’re talking about & the “I know what racism feels like b/c I have blue hair!!!!!1″ crowd. (& possibly also the ones who feel that Punk American may be a legitimate ethnic group) Sigh.